Well, here I am to ask for advice or suggestions. We have a neighborhood at the beach that's small and as far as I can tell, fairly friendly. One woman (I'll call her Alice but that's not her name) had a house there and we all knew she was having some problems, possibly hoarding, but we thought it was none of our business. About a month ago the house caught on fire. Alice ran out, but didn't call the fire department--a neighbor did that. No one was hurt, fortunately, not even her animals, but the house was pretty much destroyed. Alice lived with a neighbor for a while but became so difficult to deal with that the neighbor had to ask her to leave (I don't know the details of the difficulty, but do know that Alice has seemed very paranoid in past dealings). Alice has a trust fund and the house was well-insured, so money is not a problem, but instead of moving somewhere else, renting a temporary place, getting the house torn down and starting new construction, or any of the other things that she could do, she's starting living on the property in a sort of lean-to/tent, and has several times had fires going in the yard to dispose of the half-burnt furniture, etc. The houses down there are close together and the fire department is a long way off, and it's been a dry spring, so this is something that does concern us all. And beyond that, we're worried about her, living without plumbing, without good camping equipment, and in this sad situation.

Neighbors have called the sheriff's deputy and the fire department. The fire department has told her she can't burn things, but otherwise both say that there's nothing they can do about her living on her own land as she wants and that we should contact the family. We contacted family members, but they say they haven't been able to reason with her about anything, and that they hope that we, the neighborhood, will be able to get the authorities to do something about her situation.

We don't want anything worse to happen to her or to us, but feel like we're sort of stuck. I know that agencies and laws vary greatly from state to state, but I wonder if anyone has any thoughts about possible ways to make sure that she is not harming herself or other people.

If she were away from everyone and just affecting herself, I guess we'd think she is entitled to live as she chooses, but since fire is an issue, we aren't really comfortable with just forgetting about it.

From: [identity profile] altaego.livejournal.com


Portland has neighborhood livibility regulations that would come into effect and and inspectors one can call. But if the person is mentally ill, the inspectors sometimes have to call for help from the County mental health people.

I'm not sure what the laws are where you are.

From: [identity profile] mamculuna.livejournal.com


Thanks--good idea. I was thinking mental health might be a route to go. I have a friend who has worked for the state mental health as administrator and may know our rules. Unfortunately, there isn't any kind of intermediary inspector that I know of to call them in, so it would have to be us.

From: [identity profile] kalimeg.livejournal.com


Fire inspections, health department regulations ... there are lots of governmental avenues. City code inspectors? That would do it here.

From: [identity profile] mamculuna.livejournal.com


We're in the county, not the city--not part of anything but a neighborhood association, and that's the big problem. The firemen said there was no action they could take except to stop her from burning things--but that's not preventative. Maybe if we call the county zoning, they'll find something. Thanks!
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From: [personal profile] usedtobeljs


I have no good ideas, but every sympathy. Hope that the best outcome happens soon....

From: [identity profile] maeve-rigan.livejournal.com


You're right to be concerned & compassionate. I don't have any advice, though. County mental health or social workers, maybe, especially if you think there's a possibility she could harm herself or others.

From: [identity profile] siro-gravity.livejournal.com


What an unpleasant situation. More than worried about HER, if i were in your situation, I'd also be worried about me and my neighborhood. yes, there is the danger of fire. but where is she going to the bathroom?? how is she disposing of her trash?

there is more to it than "if she is living on her own land" because her land is attached to YOUR land. and what she does affects the entire community.

i'm just trying to think about who i would call. i really don't know. i would probably start by looking at the "city of portland" section of the phone book. if i found nothing, i'd call the non-emergency number for the police and ask them what to do. at least they might know how to direct the call.

From: [identity profile] rebekahroxanna.livejournal.com


I'm so sorry, It sounds like she has mental issues. Maybe the family doesn't recognize this or chooses to deny? It seems to me that unless you can convince her family that she needs health care, there is nothing you can do until she gets much worse and becomes a threat to you (fires closer and closer). Our mental health facilities have deteriorated so much.

I'd guess beginning dementia of some sort. So sad

From: [identity profile] mamculuna.livejournal.com


Thanks! Unfortunately, this is just a part of the county, not of any town or city, and the sheriff and firemen have already said they can't do anything. I think we'll have to look at health and mental health for help, if possible.

I agree about the sanitation problems. That really does concern us.

From: [identity profile] star-cabaret.livejournal.com


Like others have said, there has to be some kind of code somewhere or at least some repercussions for repeatedly setting fires to things she shouldn't be setting fire to.

Maybe you could call Extreme Makeover Home Edition?

From: [identity profile] mamculuna.livejournal.com


Looks like zoning is going to help, possibly, maybe. It's really hard if you don't live in a city, or even a civilized part of a county.
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